Posts by Vachi 8 He Is

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Are JW Children Set Up To Fail In The Real World?

by PublishingCult in

would it be reasonable to say that children born and raised in the organization of jw's are being set up to fail in the real world?

if so, why?

how?.

Vachi 8 He Is

What Freeze said. A big part of a childs life is acceptance from peers. Sometimes the kid doesn't even want the Spongebob sneakers but because everyone else is.... Couple that with how kids settle differences, namely kick and punch first and the safer alternative is not to stand out much from everyone else. The dub kid has his childhood ripped from him. "You can't celebrate x-mas, you can't play with this toy, you can't go to this place?" To the worldy kid you put a big ass target on your back. Why? Because the worldy kid doesn't want to seem sympathetic to this or risk being ousted themselves even if they don't conscientously understand these yet. It's not because "Oh I have da troof and this iz Satan trying to get me" like the society would have them believe. So the dub kid goes through school years socially stiffled. Just last night my aunt listened to the talk on speaker in the house because she couldnt make it to the meeting. Theocratic ministry school talk went something like this:

HH: "Hey so-and-so, me and the girls are going to the club later, you wanna come"

JW: "No I'd better not, I made a commitment to follow jesus' example here at X scripture...."

And I'm sitting there like WTF! The society would have you believe that it's the DUBS fault for going if something happens, girl or guy, bottomline. Or in a sense, "thats what you get for leaving the box". Meanwhile this is a slippery slope tech used to instill fear. While it is possible that you may get into some kind of trouble at the club it IS NOT a guarantee. There is a better chance of you going to said club, having a nice time with friends, and coming home. You have to have the look though. The look like you belong there, not a look like you just cut one louder than you thought it would be. And this comes from doing what? Socalizing. There may be wolves in sheeps clothing but there's no reason why it can't be the other way around.

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The Danger of Credulous Research of Jehovah's Witnesses on the Internet

by Spade in

http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/02/danger-of-naive-and-credulous-research.html.

it's been my experience so far, that anything a person wants to find out about jehovahs witnesses, they can find out from jehovahs witnesses.

any and all information ever published by jehovah witnesses is accessible to all.

Vachi 8 He Is

"It's been my experience so far, that anything a person wants to find out about Jehovah’s Witnesses, they can find out from Jehovah’s Witnesses"

Oh you mean like this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHW9BC-KC0

Go to ANY one company and ask them about their products in relation to some other companies products. Say Microsoft XBox brand vs. Sony Playstation brand. Here you have a console that is plauged with crashes and errors, and they'll say "We feel confident in the XBox brand. We have sold 50 million units and blah blah blah....." Here's what they aren't telling you: A number of those 50 million sold are repurchases by one person. Now while this doesn't take away from the amount sold, one might gather that there are 50 million individuals who bought XBox 360s. And you know what? They (MS) aren't going to do anything to correct this belief. This quote of yours....wow! You may as well have said:

If anyone wants to find out about who killed the victim, they can find out from the suspect. I know this is strawman tech and I hate when people bring it out in convo but the link here I want to make is that the evidence is all around that this isn't the truth. Their coverups, the myopic articles you read complete with visual aids, the "new light" when the "old light" was supposedly directed by god (if it came from god initially, was given to the dupes in Brooklyn also by god, why does god then go "Oh, well here's a little more info on that." It's frakkin' god! He has the power to tell us all the details that we were entitled to from the start) the way they don't want you to research WITHOUT their literature, the frowning on independant thought (like how many times have you watched a show and the people split up so they could cover more ground when searching for something) the focus on getting your kids to OBEY. Yes you want respectful kids but there's another side to it. The WT(BS)T$ knows that if the parents are in, this fallacious logic will be projected onto the kid, thus the potential for that kid growing up and getting some position in the business becomes higher. It's about securing the business future, that's all. The way they tear your childhood from you, the years that shape you as a person, just GONE! The way they hijack a conversation out of you and then when they can't 'win' they label you.......LABEL YOU......and convieniantly find something else that they just have to give their attention to right, stat, now! like the phone call in the above Youtube link.

Yeah but you KEEP ON seeking first the kingdom and thinking that JW's are giving you facts. Don't even Youtube "8 criteria for thought reform" and get smacked upside the head with how the society and the vid, OMG totally look like twins. Don't you dare wikipedia what logical fallacies appear in debate. And so help me if you Youtube propaganda techniques....(I don't mean the user by that name, but while you're NOT at it, him as well as Tim Kilgore) dude, I swear to god.....if you do that....

I hope my post wasn't too profanity laced for you. Wouldn't want you to shut off because of a few squiggly and straight lines made to represent words that you weren't even saying therefore not in any violation of any rules the society gave you. Go 'head with your freewillin' self. WINNING!

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Reasons for disbelief: The top ten reasons I am an atheist

by whereami in

many people ask why someone like me, who came from a christian home, went to a christian high school and then went on to spend five years in seminary and become a pastor, a missionary, and an evangelist, would turn his back on the god he spent a lifetime worshiping and serving and give up all faith in the supernatural.

the answer is very simple, and im about to give it.

first, however, let me tell you what the reason is not.. most people, upon hearing my story, all unanimously decide regardless of their own spiritual beliefs or religious affiliations that i must be mad at god.

Vachi 8 He Is

I will agree with this, that "many will be mislead". In general I believe that MOST people have at least some kind of religion they belong to. I also believe that most of those would say when asked that they themselves have the true path leading to god. Political correctness comes up with the ones who say "Oh it doesn't matter which...." Thinking about this for a moment I would have to say that either everyone is right or everyone is wrong. If everyone is right, including Satanists, then we have a problem on the scale of immovable object meets unstoppable force. I believe that all religions, at least organized ones have it wrong. I see this scripture "Watch out that you are not deceived. For MANY (remember the most above) will come in my name, claiming 'I am he,' and 'The time is near' do not go after them." as meaning this: First I know this was taken out of context and jesus was speaking to a group at the time. But if I told you to go in your house, lock your door, and do not answer it for ANYONE even if the one says it's me, then from that you might have to take it as "Vachi has no intention of returning here to this house". Oh what about, you will know my followers by their works? Negative. Man chooses what they want to see. Rutherford, for example, read the bible and DECIDED or CHOSE TO SEE that god couldn't possibly be this petty, angry, egotistical, cruel, no-better-than-a-man, jackass of a deity and so a little rewording here, a few omitions there and BAM! Antibacterial had soap for god. So leaving it up to man, imperfect man to see........really?

The bottle of water looks at the the thimble of water and laughs.

The bucket of water looks at the bottle of water and laughs.

The bathtub of water looks at the bucket of water and laughs.

The pond of water looks at the bathub of water and laughs.

The lake of water looks at the pond of water and laughs.

The ocean of water looks at the lake of water and laughs.

I look at them all and laugh. The link between all of them? They are all contained. Here people are fighting over which religion is better, which has the truth and so on and so forth. It is a virus that has held man back. This is how many are being misled. You can just be sitting somewhere minding your business and here comes Brother Basham N. Dahedwitit. If atheists are such devils advocates then why isn't it the other way around? I mean, we make up the body in part that walks about like a roaring lion SEEKING......SEEKING to devour someone. How many have nonbelievers have been sought after? You turn on the radio, "Man, Steve Harvey got a radio show y'all" or "Not a sermon, just a thought". You're at home when *Doorbell* someone in your house goes to answer, and you realize what day it is, and you also realize you forgot to tell them that you'd deal with the door by not answering it. Then, like something out of a movie and in slo-mo, you run to the door but the other someone is already at it twisting the knob. "Nooooooooooo" you yell out in your head, like trying to save said other person from a runaway bus. But alas, the door has been opened and you hear "Hello, we're out talking with your friends and neighbors today, and want to ask a question......"The amount of silent expletives that follows....classic. But why does god, a supposed all powerful deity, NEED for someone to be his voice in an organized religion? He undoubtedly would have the power to speak with everyone on an individual level. Religious leaders know this would jeopardize their position in power so they promote groupthink. It's not just in the kingdumb hall either. Groupthink also makes christian church pastors rich because of the tythes and offerings bit. "I don't wanna look a certain way to the congregation so I'll give"

At least with me, I don't talk about religion unless the topic has been brought up to me first. Nothing tied to god should bring up the amount of hatred/separation that it does by all parties. Couple that with the inexcusable acts god took part in and the way it wants to blame Satan for everything, then my choice becomes clear. (-.-),,|,, him.

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the one day convention less than 10 hours ago

by TheLoveDoctor in

been baptised for 15 years and it still same crap.

my wife who takes notes and thinks she pays attention when the brother says jesus is our meadiator and doesn't pay attention that the watchtower just stated he is the mediator for the anointed.

oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh thats right we do benifit but rank an file dont catch the confusing statements.

Vachi 8 He Is

You mean hope of happiness OUTSIDE of being a dummy err......dubby? Sure, but it's just temporary. Those people on the magazines....now those are the SOBs we wanna be. No more television, movies, music (unless it's KM), sports, video games, toys, hell there won't even be a Spongebob Squarepants because using ones imagination to make a cartoon drawing of a sponge talk surely would pave the way for the deemonz since sponges are inanimate objects. Oh boy! Yeah, that's happiness up the wahzoo, let's make THAT happen. -_-'

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Is the use of illustrations/bible a strawman tech?

by Vachi 8 He Is in

often, when you have the unfortunate pleasure of talking (and by that i mean getting half a point out before they interrupt) with a dub about something that is taking place here and now, or when looking through the mike's hard lemonade wt, usually they'll say some crap about how some most heinous ancient history dudes handled the situation and say "that's just like today, we can trust that jehober will blah blah blah and other diarreah".

but is it just like today?

the bible is full of tales that seemingly are impossible without some outside interference.

Vachi 8 He Is

Often, when you have the unfortunate pleasure of talking (and by that I mean getting half a point out before they interrupt) with a dub about something that is taking place here and now, or when looking through the Mike's Hard Lemonade WT, usually they'll say some crap about how some most heinous ancient history dudes handled the situation and say "That's just like today, we can trust that jehober will blah blah blah and other diarreah". But is it just like today? The bible is full of tales that seemingly are impossible without some outside interference. Jonah and whale. Noah and flood. Loaves of bread and fish feeding thousands of people. Shed, Mesh and Abed being thrown into furnace etc....pick your poison. But how are such illustrations LIKE something that's taking place in our time? The circumstances here are different than when alledged acts took place in the bible. One big difference we have is time or rather the passage of it. We have been here long enough to witness jehober-boober doing jack shit. "Dead and loving it" kinda stuff. No one here is gonna be thrown into a fire without coming out with 3rd degree burns and I don't care how big your faith is. If you even think about trying to feed your family reunion, let alone thousands of people, with two filet-o-fish sandwiches and some Sunbeam you'd be committed for being certifiable. So when talking with a dub, and they bring this stuff up from the bible, isn't this the same as using a strawman deck of cards to try to refute your arguement? They go to the 'cards' to pull out something, then link it to something that's supposedly taking place today (myopic view), then they can knock this distorted version of your point down because they brought a friend (the person who the biblical illustration was about) and because it's in the bible (the bible is true) and its interpretation is how they were told to interpret it, it just seems like one hell of a scarecrow Mrs. King.

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That's what Satan wants you to think..........

by Vachi 8 He Is in

well what about what the gibbering body wants you to think?

if you have your copy of the december 2010 asleep magazine entitled "the truth about christmas" i invite you to take a look at the subliminal messaging in the picture on page 7. if someone could scan it into this thread that would help too, but i'll be descriptive about what the picture entails.

setting: 8 people in an office building at a christmas party.

Vachi 8 He Is

Aqua.....but-but......that's what Satan wants you to think.

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That's what Satan wants you to think..........

by Vachi 8 He Is in

well what about what the gibbering body wants you to think?

if you have your copy of the december 2010 asleep magazine entitled "the truth about christmas" i invite you to take a look at the subliminal messaging in the picture on page 7. if someone could scan it into this thread that would help too, but i'll be descriptive about what the picture entails.

setting: 8 people in an office building at a christmas party.

Vachi 8 He Is

So it did SOME good at least sooner? :P

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That's what Satan wants you to think..........

by Vachi 8 He Is in

well what about what the gibbering body wants you to think?

if you have your copy of the december 2010 asleep magazine entitled "the truth about christmas" i invite you to take a look at the subliminal messaging in the picture on page 7. if someone could scan it into this thread that would help too, but i'll be descriptive about what the picture entails.

setting: 8 people in an office building at a christmas party.

Vachi 8 He Is

Oh lol. Sorry Mama. Once these fingers get going it's hard to take breaks for.....breaks. :)

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Watchtower view in 1926 - "In Paradise Witnesses will fly around like Superman does!!!" What??

by Witness 007 in

it's a bird...it's a plane....it's.......a jehovahs witness???

golden age aug 25 1926 p.751 "negative gravitation...you may have wondered how accidents will be avioded in christs kingdom....scientists tell us there is enough atomic energy in one fingernail to propel a battleship.

the people of the future may carry alittle of this power with them.

Vachi 8 He Is

It can truly be said that they have a bat in their belfry.

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That's what Satan wants you to think..........

by Vachi 8 He Is in

well what about what the gibbering body wants you to think?

if you have your copy of the december 2010 asleep magazine entitled "the truth about christmas" i invite you to take a look at the subliminal messaging in the picture on page 7. if someone could scan it into this thread that would help too, but i'll be descriptive about what the picture entails.

setting: 8 people in an office building at a christmas party.

Vachi 8 He Is

Well what about what the Gibbering Body wants you to think? If you have your copy of the December 2010 Asleep magazine entitled "The Truth About christmas" I invite you to take a look at the subliminal messaging in the picture on page 7. If someone could scan it into this thread that would help too, but I'll be descriptive about what the picture entails. Setting: 8 people in an office building at a christmas party. 3 tiers of depth to the picture, I'll call it foreground, middle tier and background. In the foreground you'll see an elderly woman on the far left wearing a blue dress holding a clear glass with a red drink in it. She is laughing at something that isn't shown in the picture. Safe to say it's a "OMG I'm so wasted" laugh. On the far right of the picture there are two younger guys. One of the guys is wearing a red shirt. He is also pouring something into the punchbowl in front of him. Next to the punchbowl are those bright red plastic cups. This is important to the scene. The third person in the foreground has his arm around the red shirted guy and is holding a HUGE bottle of Vodka. The colors they are wearing is extremely important to this scene and I'll explain why in a minute. With me so far? Ok. Middle tier: Two people, one male, one female. The guy is wearing a green shirt and khakis and the female is wearing a yellow dress. The green shirted guy, let's call him Mr. Axe Deodorant has one arm up resting on the top of a cubicle wall, the other is holding a red plastic cup. The girl, let's call her Ms. Oyoushudenthav, is facing him with a gift in one hand and a red plastic cup in the other. (If you think high school hallway with some guy asking a girl out you're set)Mr. Axe is apparently not under the table drunk and is advancing on Ms. Oyoushudenthav. Background tier: Three people, two female, one male rounds this party out to 8. The important part that the background people play is showing that the two females have those red cups. Ok, visualizing the scene? Sweet. Why are the colors they're wearing important? Well the foreground people have the most important job in this whole scene. The colors get you to focus on them. When you look at this shot, chances are they are the first people that are going to attract your attention. This is intentional because both the elderly woman and the punchbowl guy have obvious liquor while the other party animals have red plastic cups. And with the unused cups by the punchbowl you could assume that they are drinking the same spiked punch even though their actions are less "drunk" than the ones in the foreground. Middle tier people just kinda blend into the shot because A: The girl (Oyoushudenthav) is wearing yellow and standing next to a beige cubicle wall and B: Mr. Axe Deodorant, while wearing green, has a mysterious light being shown on him from somewhere. Where is the light coming from? There's no reason for it to be there. Ha! You'd think so but c'mon, this is the WTBTS we're talking about. This was intentional because either it'll make you look at him and take note of his behavior or it won't and you'll still focus on elderly woman and punchbowl guy. This whole scene sets you up for the wording underneath the picture that says "The christmas season, like the ancient festival of Saturnalia, is marked by partying, feasting, and drinking." It plays into the bad/negative visuals that this is what goes on at holiday parties, namely people getting wasted and predators using gifts to buy their way into sex. I don't know about you but when I think of the holidays I think lit fireplaces, out-of-towners visiting, food, movie watching in one room, kids with the video games or other presents in the other. I never see this scene in my mind about the holidays although I can imagine it taking place somewhere. But, this image is what THEY want people to focus on. And what do THEY offer us visually? We've all seen this shot of theirs; House off in the distance being worked on, closer to person viewing pic, some people working in a field, even closer a child playing with some dangerous animal, closer still and in foreground, a couple or family grinning like they got punched in the face with new and improved Joker products. But what else do they show? I mean is that all they got? Paradise sucks ass, and that's what I want Jerkovah to think, that is, assuming he can think. Frakin' slumlord.